"End Times"
Oct. 3rd, 2011 08:27 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
chaniOh the tension and the possibilities in that penultimate episode! I'm both thrilled and exhausted!
Is it next week yet?
I don't think the episode was as good as "Half-Measure" last year, but I loved it because of the return of Mr White & Jesse team!
And before that, I loved it when Jesse told Walt : "this is your way of ripping my heart out before you're dead and gone.” This is so Jesse, and so Walt/Jesse!
His heart is bleeding because Brock might be dying but also because Mr White might be the one who caused it, and the latter may hurt him even more than the former. So he needs Walt to say it, or rather to deny it, he needs Walt to convince him that his Mr White didn't do it. So I don't think he went to Walt's to kill him (he wasn't armed, he used Walt's gun)but to be "reassured".
And the way Walter says "Jesse" afterwards, begging him not to go after Gus, not to risk his own life(it was WAY reminiscent of "Half-Measure"!). Walt has never spoken Jesse's name in such a soft way...be still my heart!!!
Those two are killing me. I just love their crazy and disfunctional relationship.
And the gun mark on Walt's forehead (the "go ahead, kill me" thing was a bit of a cliche but the mark redeemed it!)...damnit!
And now all the fandom is divided about the Brock thing. Who did it? How did it happen?
- Some think that Gus did it, because he is evil, because there's the past case of Brock's uncle, Tomas, whom Gus likely had killed which sent Jesse over the edge.
- Others are sure that Walt did it to convince Jesse that Gus did it, and get Jesse back on his side.
- Others think that it was an accident, Brock stole the cig, poisoned himself (could be a tribute to The Wire with Jesse being in Bubbles' shoes here!)...and Jesse has been in denial, not wanting to face his guilt and imagining that he saw the "special cig" in the morning.
- And there's the last theory about ricing not having anything to do with Brock's condition and everybody being so paranoid and irrational that they make up a story on it, seeing connections and logics when there's nothing.
Me? I'd like it to stay ambiguous, unsolved.
That said, I don't think that Walt had the time and the means to do it. We were with him most of the time!
Actually I don't know how he could have done it at all, the logistics just doesn't work. It seems far-fetched. Jesse's logic is crazy (he's under a lot of stress). Plus I don't think that Walt is that good an actor and and I don't see him making that kind of choice in cold blood. Walt is capable of a lot of things but poisoning a kid in cold blood to have his way? He isn't that bad, isn't he (or is survival and getting Jesse back enough to justify such a heartless and immoral move?)? Yes he is brilliant and manipulative, and he knows Jesse better than Gus -- so he could have foreseen Jesse's reaction, even planning to leave the gun unattended so Jesse would feel in control, and because Walt knows Jesse he knew that the boy would let him argue his case before pulling the trigger and he guessed that he would win Jesse over with his speech (it's risky but it would tie in with the scene in which he spinned the gun on the table and it aimed at him twice before it finally aimed elsewhere) --, but I don't think he would go that far and put a kid in danger, and he is not a cold mastermind! Walt knows Jesse but he didn't collect infos about Jesse (Skyler would have though!) and I am not sure he realised what Brock meant to Jesse and that the kid could be used as a pawn (unless Saul told him?).
Actually, I tend to believe that Walter was honest when talking to Skyler in the cold open and when talking to Jesse later.
Besides we don't need to have Walt guilty for the death of another of Jesse's beloved ones(or is the point about showing a pattern according to which "Walt will do anything to have his boy back" with Walt going lower this time since he didn't premeditate Jane's death at least?).
I think that Jane's death is enough and it might come back to haunt Walt next season. But if it turns out that he did poison the kid, we won't learn it until the end, next season(and it could be ambiguous still then); they will keep us guessing so the audience will keep on watching...
Gus fits in better, of course. We know that it's all about business for him. He is a kind of sociopath, he poisoned a bunch of cartel guys not so long ago, and he's annoyed to hear that Jesse is still "attached" to Walt. BTW he even said he would take the "appropriate response"...Jesse didn't agree to Gus' killing Walt so Gus might indeed have see the solution to the Jesse problem as "let's have Jesse kill Walt".
And it's likely that he had Jesse's house bugged and watched and knew about the ricin and the fights between Jesse and Walter. After all it's outside of Jesse's house that Walter was abducted in the previous episode. Gus must keep an eye on his new "chef", he knew his blood type, he's always prepared and must know about Andrea and Brock.
Gus seems the better candidate but he could be innocent of that one; Walt, for all his own morality issues, has been dead-on right in the past about what Gus is capable of, and about Jesse being manipulated into thinking he saved the day when he was out with Mike. Walt used to be good at sniffing setups but he might be wrong this time.
Frankly, I don't know. Everything is possible. This show is incredible!
They could all be blinded by their fears and obsessions, their minds spinning with all kind of theories (hence Gus processing the situation after seeing Jesse, and eventually sensing danger and not going near his car). The Brock thing could be a simple coincidence that triggered into actions characters who have been edgy until then.The illness might have nothing whatsoever to do with the ricin, btw the hospital never confirmed it was ricin, didn't it? And when they will learn it it would be too late because something is going to happen.That theory is probably my favourite. Gus and Walt are both red herrings.
PS: Watching Hank talk Gomez into doing a "good old knock and talk" was delightful. I love Hank. But now that I think about it, I wonder whether that scene was a key moment, foreshadowing the way Gomez used a fake story and talked the guy into saying "yes" so the DEA officer and the dog could check and sniff, and, above all, the way Walt talked Jesse into a new scheme against Gus (didn't Walt say that he is the one "who knocks" at the beginning of the season?).
Damn, maybe Walt did it after all! :- (
PPS: Anyway, if it's ricin that is killing Brock either because Gus poisoned the kid or because the kid poisoned himself by accident, Walt is still responsible for he is the one who cooked the poison and gave it to Jesse in order to take Gus out. As he said in the cold open, he made choices and has to pay, to face the consequences...
But again, ricin probably doesn't have anything to do with Brock's condition.
ETA: Just thought that Walter made a point to remind us that only year has gone since he was diagnosed in the pilot, which aired in 2008...so Brock's illness could be...the Swine flu!
Is it next week yet?
I don't think the episode was as good as "Half-Measure" last year, but I loved it because of the return of Mr White & Jesse team!
And before that, I loved it when Jesse told Walt : "this is your way of ripping my heart out before you're dead and gone.” This is so Jesse, and so Walt/Jesse!
His heart is bleeding because Brock might be dying but also because Mr White might be the one who caused it, and the latter may hurt him even more than the former. So he needs Walt to say it, or rather to deny it, he needs Walt to convince him that his Mr White didn't do it. So I don't think he went to Walt's to kill him (he wasn't armed, he used Walt's gun)but to be "reassured".
And the way Walter says "Jesse" afterwards, begging him not to go after Gus, not to risk his own life(it was WAY reminiscent of "Half-Measure"!). Walt has never spoken Jesse's name in such a soft way...be still my heart!!!
Those two are killing me. I just love their crazy and disfunctional relationship.
And the gun mark on Walt's forehead (the "go ahead, kill me" thing was a bit of a cliche but the mark redeemed it!)...damnit!
And now all the fandom is divided about the Brock thing. Who did it? How did it happen?
- Some think that Gus did it, because he is evil, because there's the past case of Brock's uncle, Tomas, whom Gus likely had killed which sent Jesse over the edge.
- Others are sure that Walt did it to convince Jesse that Gus did it, and get Jesse back on his side.
- Others think that it was an accident, Brock stole the cig, poisoned himself (could be a tribute to The Wire with Jesse being in Bubbles' shoes here!)...and Jesse has been in denial, not wanting to face his guilt and imagining that he saw the "special cig" in the morning.
- And there's the last theory about ricing not having anything to do with Brock's condition and everybody being so paranoid and irrational that they make up a story on it, seeing connections and logics when there's nothing.
Me? I'd like it to stay ambiguous, unsolved.
That said, I don't think that Walt had the time and the means to do it. We were with him most of the time!
Actually I don't know how he could have done it at all, the logistics just doesn't work. It seems far-fetched. Jesse's logic is crazy (he's under a lot of stress). Plus I don't think that Walt is that good an actor and and I don't see him making that kind of choice in cold blood. Walt is capable of a lot of things but poisoning a kid in cold blood to have his way? He isn't that bad, isn't he (or is survival and getting Jesse back enough to justify such a heartless and immoral move?)? Yes he is brilliant and manipulative, and he knows Jesse better than Gus -- so he could have foreseen Jesse's reaction, even planning to leave the gun unattended so Jesse would feel in control, and because Walt knows Jesse he knew that the boy would let him argue his case before pulling the trigger and he guessed that he would win Jesse over with his speech (it's risky but it would tie in with the scene in which he spinned the gun on the table and it aimed at him twice before it finally aimed elsewhere) --, but I don't think he would go that far and put a kid in danger, and he is not a cold mastermind! Walt knows Jesse but he didn't collect infos about Jesse (Skyler would have though!) and I am not sure he realised what Brock meant to Jesse and that the kid could be used as a pawn (unless Saul told him?).
Actually, I tend to believe that Walter was honest when talking to Skyler in the cold open and when talking to Jesse later.
Besides we don't need to have Walt guilty for the death of another of Jesse's beloved ones(or is the point about showing a pattern according to which "Walt will do anything to have his boy back" with Walt going lower this time since he didn't premeditate Jane's death at least?).
I think that Jane's death is enough and it might come back to haunt Walt next season. But if it turns out that he did poison the kid, we won't learn it until the end, next season(and it could be ambiguous still then); they will keep us guessing so the audience will keep on watching...
Gus fits in better, of course. We know that it's all about business for him. He is a kind of sociopath, he poisoned a bunch of cartel guys not so long ago, and he's annoyed to hear that Jesse is still "attached" to Walt. BTW he even said he would take the "appropriate response"...Jesse didn't agree to Gus' killing Walt so Gus might indeed have see the solution to the Jesse problem as "let's have Jesse kill Walt".
And it's likely that he had Jesse's house bugged and watched and knew about the ricin and the fights between Jesse and Walter. After all it's outside of Jesse's house that Walter was abducted in the previous episode. Gus must keep an eye on his new "chef", he knew his blood type, he's always prepared and must know about Andrea and Brock.
Gus seems the better candidate but he could be innocent of that one; Walt, for all his own morality issues, has been dead-on right in the past about what Gus is capable of, and about Jesse being manipulated into thinking he saved the day when he was out with Mike. Walt used to be good at sniffing setups but he might be wrong this time.
Frankly, I don't know. Everything is possible. This show is incredible!
They could all be blinded by their fears and obsessions, their minds spinning with all kind of theories (hence Gus processing the situation after seeing Jesse, and eventually sensing danger and not going near his car). The Brock thing could be a simple coincidence that triggered into actions characters who have been edgy until then.The illness might have nothing whatsoever to do with the ricin, btw the hospital never confirmed it was ricin, didn't it? And when they will learn it it would be too late because something is going to happen.That theory is probably my favourite. Gus and Walt are both red herrings.
PS: Watching Hank talk Gomez into doing a "good old knock and talk" was delightful. I love Hank. But now that I think about it, I wonder whether that scene was a key moment, foreshadowing the way Gomez used a fake story and talked the guy into saying "yes" so the DEA officer and the dog could check and sniff, and, above all, the way Walt talked Jesse into a new scheme against Gus (didn't Walt say that he is the one "who knocks" at the beginning of the season?).
Damn, maybe Walt did it after all! :- (
PPS: Anyway, if it's ricin that is killing Brock either because Gus poisoned the kid or because the kid poisoned himself by accident, Walt is still responsible for he is the one who cooked the poison and gave it to Jesse in order to take Gus out. As he said in the cold open, he made choices and has to pay, to face the consequences...
But again, ricin probably doesn't have anything to do with Brock's condition.
ETA: Just thought that Walter made a point to remind us that only year has gone since he was diagnosed in the pilot, which aired in 2008...so Brock's illness could be...the Swine flu!