Still pondering BSG stuff
Jan. 20th, 2009 12:49 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
chaniI've thought about "Sometimes a Great Notion" and I've read a few reviews, interviews and theories about it. So far here is where my mind has left me:
Apparently the writers didn't come up with the Final Five stuff until season 3, and they had already screwed up the 12 models thing by making Sharon a Eight which left the 7th place empty. Now they have to piece everything together and makes it work!
I've said many times and I still believe it, BSG is mostly addressing the nature of humanity, asking what makes us human. Cylons have always been a plot device, often a mirror. Now we've got the Final Five that nobody could tell from another Colonial, and the 13th tribes that lived on Earth was revealed to be all cylon too.
Helo and Sharon had Hera; Tigh and Tyrol prove that the Five can procreate with both skinjobs and colonials...Methinks that the three races are very very very close DNA-wise; different but close enough to interbreed.
The timeline is still a bit confusing but the Final Five or the people from Earth, whose remains Baltar tested and IDed as Cylon, seemed to have existed a long time before the "evolved Cylons" – the new Centurions and skinjobs– that appeared on screen to destroy the 12 colonies when the mini-serie began. The 13th tribe stuff is now very intriguing. Why did they desert Kobol?
The other tribes left Kobol much later to colonize 12 planets, 2000 years ago, just when Earth was nuked. There's obviously a link. Do we know the reason the soon-to-be-Colonials left Kobol?
The Final Five could be even much older than we think, perhaps the last five survivors of a first lost humanity, doomed to come back and try again, make a new humanity over and over until humans screw things up as they always do, hence the Final Five name and "The plan" and the "it happened and it will happen again". Skinjobs called themselves the children of humanity and assumed that Final Five means Five of their Own Race, Five lost siblings, and thus that there were 12 models, but they might have mistaken the whole thing.
The only weird element is that Earth!Ellen only seemed to be aware of a Plan in the flashbacks we got, but I wouldn't be surprised if our Colonials from the 12 tribes turned out to be Cylons too, evolved machines that could breed and die – a journey the skinjobs have just started in turn–and came to think of themselves as human beings. And then they built machines and called them cylons.
It would mean that everybody is both cylon and human at the end of the day.
Bottom line, someone is always the Cylon of someone's else.
Also viabattlestar_blogthis great interview with Tahmoh in which he talks about the series but especially about Helo. That's my guy!
From what he hints at...something is up for Helo in the 9 remaining episodes. I'm a bit worried but I'd love to see his character being somehow rewarded.
Apparently the writers didn't come up with the Final Five stuff until season 3, and they had already screwed up the 12 models thing by making Sharon a Eight which left the 7th place empty. Now they have to piece everything together and makes it work!
I've said many times and I still believe it, BSG is mostly addressing the nature of humanity, asking what makes us human. Cylons have always been a plot device, often a mirror. Now we've got the Final Five that nobody could tell from another Colonial, and the 13th tribes that lived on Earth was revealed to be all cylon too.
Helo and Sharon had Hera; Tigh and Tyrol prove that the Five can procreate with both skinjobs and colonials...Methinks that the three races are very very very close DNA-wise; different but close enough to interbreed.
The timeline is still a bit confusing but the Final Five or the people from Earth, whose remains Baltar tested and IDed as Cylon, seemed to have existed a long time before the "evolved Cylons" – the new Centurions and skinjobs– that appeared on screen to destroy the 12 colonies when the mini-serie began. The 13th tribe stuff is now very intriguing. Why did they desert Kobol?
The other tribes left Kobol much later to colonize 12 planets, 2000 years ago, just when Earth was nuked. There's obviously a link. Do we know the reason the soon-to-be-Colonials left Kobol?
The Final Five could be even much older than we think, perhaps the last five survivors of a first lost humanity, doomed to come back and try again, make a new humanity over and over until humans screw things up as they always do, hence the Final Five name and "The plan" and the "it happened and it will happen again". Skinjobs called themselves the children of humanity and assumed that Final Five means Five of their Own Race, Five lost siblings, and thus that there were 12 models, but they might have mistaken the whole thing.
The only weird element is that Earth!Ellen only seemed to be aware of a Plan in the flashbacks we got, but I wouldn't be surprised if our Colonials from the 12 tribes turned out to be Cylons too, evolved machines that could breed and die – a journey the skinjobs have just started in turn–and came to think of themselves as human beings. And then they built machines and called them cylons.
It would mean that everybody is both cylon and human at the end of the day.
Bottom line, someone is always the Cylon of someone's else.
Also via
battlestar_blogthis great interview with Tahmoh in which he talks about the series but especially about Helo. That's my guy! From what he hints at...something is up for Helo in the 9 remaining episodes. I'm a bit worried but I'd love to see his character being somehow rewarded.