Well, methinks I said before the bit you quoted that his becoming a monster was caused by several things and was tied in with his human past above all, but "education" couldn't not be part of it.
It's obvious in "Destiny" that Angelus decided to teach William.
Darla, Dru and Angelus' desire to teach would have meant nothing without Spike's desire to learn. He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to try to please them. He didn't have to stick around.
Of course he wanted to learn. One feature of William's personality is that he never quite fit in, but was always desperate to be accepted, to belong to something, to be loved. He needed to please his new family and to stick around. He had nothing else left after he dusted Anne and Dru was already his everything.
BTW we saw almost the same pattern with Lawson and Angel in WWF, except that this time Angel deserted the newly sired vampire, forced him to go.
There's nothing fake about his riot-induced exhilaration. In one minute or another, sure, Spike would do things to 'stick it to Angelus' but more than that, he does what he does because he enjoys it.
I never said it was fake! I precisely pointed out that bringing mayhem, getting drunk, causing brawls and riots was what defined him as a vampire unlike Angelus. Did you read the beginning of the post?
And he's certainly not under their control - In FFL, it's pretty clear that he does what he pleases.
Once again I think you didn't read the post well. I never said Spike was under their control. I said that because of their respective human past Angelus wanted to control everything, and that Spike was the one who, as a vampire, refused to submit, refused to be ruled by anything anymore.
And his idea of fun came to him long before he ever knew who Drusilla was.
Where did you see that on screen? At the party with Cecily? When he recited his poetry to his mother and talked about getting married? Colour me confused here.
He just didn't have the drive or opportunity to act upon it.
That's why I said that being a rule-breaker was tied in with the victorian society in which he lived before being sired. All that was repressed then, including his sexual appetites, got unleashed when he got sired.
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Date: 2006-06-04 10:35 am (UTC)It's obvious in "Destiny" that Angelus decided to teach William.
Darla, Dru and Angelus' desire to teach would have meant nothing without Spike's desire to learn. He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to try to please them. He didn't have to stick around.
Of course he wanted to learn. One feature of William's personality is that he never quite fit in, but was always desperate to be accepted, to belong to something, to be loved. He needed to please his new family and to stick around. He had nothing else left after he dusted Anne and Dru was already his everything.
BTW we saw almost the same pattern with Lawson and Angel in WWF, except that this time Angel deserted the newly sired vampire, forced him to go.
There's nothing fake about his riot-induced exhilaration. In one minute or another, sure, Spike would do things to 'stick it to Angelus' but more than that, he does what he does because he enjoys it.
I never said it was fake! I precisely pointed out that bringing mayhem, getting drunk, causing brawls and riots was what defined him as a vampire unlike Angelus. Did you read the beginning of the post?
And he's certainly not under their control - In FFL, it's pretty clear that he does what he pleases.
Once again I think you didn't read the post well. I never said Spike was under their control. I said that because of their respective human past Angelus wanted to control everything, and that Spike was the one who, as a vampire, refused to submit, refused to be ruled by anything anymore.
And his idea of fun came to him long before he ever knew who Drusilla was.
Where did you see that on screen? At the party with Cecily? When he recited his poetry to his mother and talked about getting married? Colour me confused here.
He just didn't have the drive or opportunity to act upon it.
That's why I said that being a rule-breaker was tied in with the victorian society in which he lived before being sired. All that was repressed then, including his sexual appetites, got unleashed when he got sired.